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Vallyr

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PostSubject: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 5:44 am

(updated with pictures)

This is my first post on this forum so hello to all.

I will be reviewing the target multipointer tool. In early august, I was in the market for a repointing tool because I wanted to put a set of storm points on my Unicorn Phase 6 darts , Red Dragon Fusions, and my Unicorn Andy Hamiltons.

I quickly became fascinated with the idea behind the storm point because it would immediately make alot of the styles of dart I use much more aerodynamic and would prevent a great many of the unicorn sigma style knockoff darts from having the huge flight catcher lip.

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I live in Washington State, so darts are hard to come by in these parts(dart tournaments are considered illegal gambling by our state law, and bars tend to view sharp objects as a liability). After a great deal of searching, I was able to find one store in Canada, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], that carried the target repointer. I assumed price($245.00 USD with another $20-30 of shipping) surely must be a sign of quality and I liked the heavy duty look of it. Unfortunately, as I found out both of these things can be decieving.

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When it arrived, it was packaged in a small box, with all of the doo dad's in a bag, and a small card with assembly instructions on it. Really easy to assemble. The only difficulty i had here was aligning the allen screw with the clamp.

For those of you not familar with they way this pointer works, here is a link to the designer demo'ing it on youtube.
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The first set of Darts I decided to repoint were my Unicorn Phase 6, and I had purchased some storm points from the online store [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] . Comically, Neither of the two stores carried both the target repointer and the target points. On the first two attempts to repoint the unicorn darts, everything went extremely smoothly. When pressing the points into the darts You could tell that immediately there was resistance but then it would kind of pop and slide right in.

I was concerned about this resistance but on the back box of the storm points they said they were compatable with all standard barrel darts. Not a problem right? Wrong. On the third phase 6. I noticed the press was slightly out of alignment, and the dart wanted to start bending upward because of this, but I managed to repoint it. Aftwards though, I noticed that the flight thread orrifice had expanded and was slightly wider than the other darts. shaft still screwed in fine, but i was able to see that the barrel was now wider than the shaft and therefore not flush.

For round two I really wanted to try pointing my Red Dragon Fusion darts, because the style just seemed like it would be perfectly complimented by the target storm points. This is where I really started to have difficulty.

Now when you are attempting to remove the point with their clamp device, I noticed you really have to crank that allen screw in tight or the point will slip out. However this became really troublesome with the Red Dragon Darts, because it seems Winmau/Red Dragon use hardened steel tips. A property of the hardened steel is that it is much more brittle. I broke off two out of three tips in the clamp. One of the two tips still had enough of the shank left that I managed to reclamp what was left and still remove it. The other I could not. Fortunately I have two sets of fusions so I borrowed a forth dart and removed the point.

On to pressing the new points in. When attempting to repoint these darts, the misalignment that I observed earlier had gotten much worse. On close inspection, I discovered the culprit. The way in which the pointer was assembled was the cause. When I flipped it over to inspect the play in the angle, I found that the block the press sits in was attatched with four pop rivet like things. The problem was that only two were actually closed off, the other two were left intentionally not. So what had happened was that the two that were not were sliding out of the base causing it to have play and not line up at all.

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To fix this, I had by buddy try to push on the press from one side to keep it inline. No sucess, in fact I broke several of the storm points and completely warped my red dragon darts to the point beyond usefulness.

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Overall, I would not recommend this repointer especially if you have valuable or expensive darts. I've had more luck repointing darts with a rivet gun, block of wood, and a hammer. Considering the price, and the price of DIY'ing it, as well as the money I lost from two sets of $30 storm points and 20GBP(approx $40) on the Red dragon darts there is no way i can recommend this at all..

After this bad experience, I attempted to contact target directly through their home site at
[url=target-darts.co.uk]target-darts.co.uk[/url]. However they never responded. I am sure it is possible that my email went to their spam folder or they thought I was trying to get a free ride.

Then I wrote the store [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Intitially I got the impression that they may have been some one skeptical "We have been selling them a while and have never gotten any complaints from out customers". However, through all of their emails have been very apologetic and polite. They told me they would have to contact the distributor and would have a reply in a single week. Something that never happened. I inquired at the end of the first week and did not recieve a reply, and inquired again at the end of the second week. Their response to this was that they were still sorry, but were waiting for the distributor to contact the target in the UK. While I do appreciate their do diligence, as a big box super store manager myself, I feel that they should've just resolved it at store level with some sort of immediate action whether it be credit/refund/compensation(which I asked for but was never mentioned in their replies). It seems I will be waiting probably a month or more....

Overall I might do business with them in the future, but I would overall would only give them one thumb up for their nice website, interesting selection and expediant shipping, and one thumb down for their inability to quickly resolve customer service issues
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 6:08 am

I have repointed a lot of darts with the Target multipointer and have never had any issues like you mentioned. Mine works great and would recommend it to anyone. Wonder if you just got a messed up one? I paid half of what you did for yours. That's really too bad your not happy with it, you should probably contact Target. I've more than happy with mine
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 6:40 am

yeah its definiately possible. Is yours attatched the same on the bottom? Just two of the four rivets?
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 6:46 am

It's got two bolts and two roll pins- no rivets
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 8:33 am

Hi Vallyr,

Welcome to the forum. As a first post I have to say that was awesome and well written.

I was hoping to get one of those pointers at some time myself. Now I dont know if like spat66 says you have had a faulty one, but I have heard other people say they have had issues trying to fit Storm points into Unicorn darts before, maybe your first attempt at doing that had caused a problem, that may have already been there, to get worse?

Its hard to say what is the reason but I think I would be very upset at ruining my darts like that.

Now as it happens Rob from Target Darts has just signed up to the forum today so maybe if you send him a pm he might be able to advise you. His Username is AskTarget. I have heard Target are usually very good at helping out customers who have bought their products so it could be that they never got your original email? I dont know if he will be on the forum a lot though as I'm sure he will be busy. But if you get stuck then I can try and help out, I can even phone them if needs be, to ask them to check your post. Might have to wait until Monday now though.
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 8:49 am

Re: spat: yeah roll pins and bolts, thats what I mean, I'm not a savy on all of the vocab heh, so I guess it would be the roll pins that pulled out.

Thanks for the offer grip! I will track him down next week. Apparently hotshots is going to try to follow up again with the distributor on tuesday or wednesday. If that doesnt pan out, i will definitely track down this rob fellow Smile

Funny thing is, after all of the issues with the machine, I popped a set of storm points into my set of Unicorn Andy Hamilton Maestro's using some hand tools, didnt have a problem what so ever. So I'd guess its not the points but who knows heh.
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 8:57 am

I put some storm points in my Wagner darts using the A180 repointer, it took a lot of effort and my hands were very sore afterwards but I managed it lol!


I hope you get something sorted all the same!
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 3:31 pm

Nice post fella and welcome to the forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 4:45 pm

Thanks Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 7:40 pm

To the people that used re pointing machines..

Is there a lot of room for operator error?
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 8:00 pm

I have only ever used the a180 re-pointer and there was some margin of error I guess in aligning the point with the barrel, but once it first seats home it tended to go in straight.
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 8:20 pm

First up great review! And i'm shocked at the end result of your fusions.

I've not used the target pointer myself, just a bit pricey for me. But I do own the A180 repointer and have never had any issues with it.

Target were great in helping me out when I had an issue with a product. Great communication from them all through the process.

I hope they help you out bud.
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 8:39 pm

I've got the Harrows repointer and the only problem I have with it is the wingnut at the top can be difficult to turn. No problems at all lining the points up with the darts themselves
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Sep 01, 2012 8:43 pm

mc1958 wrote:
I've got the Harrows repointer and the only problem I have with it is the wingnut at the top can be difficult to turn. No problems at all lining the points up with the darts themselves

I know that feeling, mines so tight I have to use a pair of pliers for abit of extra leverage.
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PostSubject: Re: Target Multipointer Review   Target Multipointer Review EmptySat Oct 27, 2012 9:26 am

I have the unicorn unitool and it works great....only problem is trying to keep the tip straight...but the Target re pointer is just not made very well....and fell apart on my first set of darts!!!Not worth $100 + dollars I payed!!!!
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