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Saber
Posts : 5689 Join date : 2012-01-09 Location : Palm Coast,Florida 32137
| Subject: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:06 am | |
| The average cost of tungsten is $0.25 per gram. Tungsten, also known as wolfram, is a chemical element with atomic number 74. A steel-gray metal under standard conditions when uncombined, tungsten is found naturally on Earth only combined in chemical compounds. Its important ores include wolframite and scheelite. The free element is remarkable for its physical properties, particular that it has the highest melting point of all the non-alloyed metals and the second highest of all the elements after carbon. Its density is slightly more than that of uranium and 19.3 times more than that of water.
this was 2010 prices. Am sure if you buy in bulk ya get a better price. |
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Saber
Posts : 5689 Join date : 2012-01-09 Location : Palm Coast,Florida 32137
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:11 am | |
| The most recent trades for tungsten have been about US $ 250 per MTU, so that means one ounce of elemental tungsten is worth about US $ 0.89, assuming you mean avoirdupois ounces and not troy ounces. |
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getagrip
Posts : 8793 Join date : 2012-01-09 Age : 54 Location : North Yorkshire
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:17 am | |
| Thats why the price of darts is going up, I think you should invest in tungsten Pops! Then leave me the profits in your will |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:10 am | |
| One of the most abundant metals on earth. Makes me wonder how much it cost Target to make a set of darts. There's certainly a HUGE markup.
I'm guessing it cost about $5 to make a set of darts. |
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getagrip
Posts : 8793 Join date : 2012-01-09 Age : 54 Location : North Yorkshire
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:14 am | |
| - JD wrote:
- One of the most abundant metals on earth. Makes me wonder how much it cost Target to make a set of darts. There's certainly a HUGE markup.
I'm guessing it cost about $5 to make a set of darts. sounds cheap really, when you have all the marketing to pay for, all the machinery, the employees, designers, machinists, sales staff etc... |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:29 am | |
| - getagrip wrote:
- JD wrote:
- One of the most abundant metals on earth. Makes me wonder how much it cost Target to make a set of darts. There's certainly a HUGE markup.
I'm guessing it cost about $5 to make a set of darts. sounds cheap really, when you have all the marketing to pay for, all the machinery, the employees, designers, machinists, sales staff etc... I was just sticking to the actual cost of what it takes to make a set of darts on average. All the other factors could vary widely from company to company. But the average cost to make a set of darts should be spot on across the board. |
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getagrip
Posts : 8793 Join date : 2012-01-09 Age : 54 Location : North Yorkshire
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:12 pm | |
| I guess if you like at the likes of Taylors darts then the profits on those must be mega, they must have sold millions of sets. |
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basketcasE
Posts : 90 Join date : 2013-02-10 Age : 44 Location : los angeles, california
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:00 pm | |
| i was looking around ebay to see what the prices were since i'm interested in trying it out. 5/16" x 8" = $47 for 50-235 tungsten which is 70% W 30% Cu ::: here's the ebay linkit's the tooling required to machine tungsten which is expensive. inserts to cut such a material are around $8-15 a piece. although a typical carbide/cemet insert would be fine, they don't last long given the abrasiveness of tungsten. machining it once is no biggie, but doing production runs is where it gets pricey. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]on another note i was looking into iridium which is 22.5g/cc. in comparison pure 100% tungsten is 19.25g/cc. in dart terms... a barrel of 1/4" x 1.5" tungsten would shrink down to .220" x 1.5" in iridium while maintaining the same overall weight. that idea got shelved when i learned iridium is 40 times rarer than gold, and 10 times rarer than platinum. no wonder my NGK plugs are so pricey. lol |
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getagrip
Posts : 8793 Join date : 2012-01-09 Age : 54 Location : North Yorkshire
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:30 pm | |
| Is tungsten the heaviest/hardest/densest metal? is gold heavier?
Pure 100% gold darts, that would be nice, although they would be too soft lol. |
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basketcasE
Posts : 90 Join date : 2013-02-10 Age : 44 Location : los angeles, california
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:23 pm | |
| - getagrip wrote:
- Is tungsten the heaviest/hardest/densest metal? is gold heavier?
Pure 100% gold darts, that would be nice, although they would be too soft lol. gold is slightly less @ 21.1g while tungsten is 21.25g. after those two only 3 remain: platinum (21.5g) iridium(22.56g) osmium (22.59g) cost obv puts those outta reach to the avg person. although if u have $$$$ to throw around then it's no biggie. iridium is $57/g (ebay). gold is currently @ $53/g. |
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getagrip
Posts : 8793 Join date : 2012-01-09 Age : 54 Location : North Yorkshire
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:00 pm | |
| there must be some solid gold darts somewhere, somebody is sure to have made a set, if just for show. |
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basketcasE
Posts : 90 Join date : 2013-02-10 Age : 44 Location : los angeles, california
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:24 pm | |
| by the end of the day the barrels would be gouged and dented from all the tight groupings. i bet ya could even robin hood w/ the steel tip sticking into the barrel alone.
i'm still surprised a pro hasn't used or thrown such a thing in competition. would it be bad taste if he did?
off topic, do all 3 darts have to be identical? can you have a heavier dart within your trio for certain "scenarios". |
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getagrip
Posts : 8793 Join date : 2012-01-09 Age : 54 Location : North Yorkshire
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:11 am | |
| I dont think there is a ruling on having to have 3 darts of equal weight, I think Alan Evans played with different weighted darts. I could be wrong though, they may have changed the rules, but it would be time consuming to check everyones sets. |
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zanellan
Posts : 58 Join date : 2012-10-08 Age : 46 Location : Wales, UK
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:03 am | |
| I have enquired about buying some Tungsten bar so I could make my own darts but was quoted a ridiculous price so knocked it on the head! |
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basketcasE
Posts : 90 Join date : 2013-02-10 Age : 44 Location : los angeles, california
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:19 am | |
| - zanellan wrote:
- I have enquired about buying some Tungsten bar so I could make my own darts but was quoted a ridiculous price so knocked it on the head!
have you checked ebay? you could always buy "tungsten carbide drill blanks". shouldn't be as pricey and are quite common. you'll have a lower density of 15.8g though. - zanellan wrote:
- I dont think there is a ruling on having to have 3 darts of equal weight, I think Alan Evans played with different weighted darts. I could be wrong though, they may have changed the rules, but it would be time consuming to check everyones sets.
what about obvious stuff like flights? or anything for that matter? i don't see why not considering how loose the restrictions are (which is refreshing). throwing magnetic barrels should be interesting... |
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getagrip
Posts : 8793 Join date : 2012-01-09 Age : 54 Location : North Yorkshire
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:30 am | |
| I have some magnetic darts on ebay now lol |
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zanellan
Posts : 58 Join date : 2012-10-08 Age : 46 Location : Wales, UK
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:39 am | |
| I know mate...I'm currently watching them! Very intrigued!! How do they fly? I think I will go down the eBay route in buying Tungsten as the dealer wouldn't sell me bar ends so I had to buy a complete length...not worth me buying that! |
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getagrip
Posts : 8793 Join date : 2012-01-09 Age : 54 Location : North Yorkshire
| Subject: Re: The cost of Tungsten - interesting. Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:44 am | |
| Well I thought they felt like the Bristow darts I had before actually. Now I cant say if the magnetism is useful as I think it only takes hold if you group well, but I did get the odd grouping where the barrels definitely stuck together.
But the barrels themselves did not suit me. Still think it is probably more a novelty though. |
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